The Design Client Experience with Lorna Kleidman

The Design Client Experience with Lorna Kleidman

In this episode of the Uploft Interior Design Podcast, I had the pleasure of chatting with Lorna Kleidman, a remarkable client and world champion in kettlebell sport. Lorna shared her inspiring journey of starting a new career in her 40s and how she has excelled in it, all while navigating multiple home transformations with my design firm, Affordable Interior Design. If you have questions for me, make sure to submit them here.

 0:00[Music]  00:08Design inspiration, real life makeovers, and the latest in pop culture. This is the Uploft Interior Design Podcast with   00:15Betsy Helmuth. I’m so excited because today I’m here with a very special guest. You know, on   00:22this podcast, I have interviewed famous designers, people who want to be designers, people who became designers,   00:28all sorts of influencers in the home space, but I have never talked to a   00:33client on the podcast. And I was so excited when, you know, after working with Laura for so many sessions, I was   00:41like, you know what, she’s so dynamic. She has so much going on both personally, professionally, and then, of   00:47course, I’ve worked with her many times. Maybe she’d like to share her story of what it feels like to be a client, what   00:53it feels like to kind of hire an interior designer, work with an interior designer, and come out the other side   00:58with your transformed space. So, welcome Laura Clydeman to the show. Laura, I’m   01:04so excited that you’re joining me. Thank you for having me. This is such a great idea and it’s such honor because I am your biggest fan,  

 

1:04

Meet Lorna Kleidman: Athlete and Trainer

 

 

01:10big fan of the team. And truth be told, I wish I was a designer, but I’m not. I don’t have those talents and skills, but you do. and I’m so glad I met you. Well, so am I. Let’s dig in. Let’s talk   01:22about it. Tell people who you are, what you do, just a little bit of background. Sure. Sure. I’m an athlete and a personal trainer. So, I see clients uh each day, mainly women between midlife women between 40 and 60. And I see them   01:36mostly through um Zoom or FaceTime. So, all of my work is online these days. And I see my clients downstairs in a we have a whole gym in the basement. But what I what we’re going to talk about today is is this room that you this is my   01:50official office where I do my social media, my editing, my meetings like this, other things that are not gym related. So I’m an athlete, I’m a trainer, and I’m also finishing up the creation of my online course which is   02:04called Hip Ease for people who are considering or going into hip replacement. And this is a step-by-step guide and how to deal with all of the scary elements and how to prepare and how to recover because I’ve been down that road twice. And um so that’s that’s the work I do.   02:23Well, I really think you could brag a little bit more because you know when I work with clients, I don’t actually book myself. We have somebody who takes the calls, who gives me the client, then I go visit the client. And this is   02:34probably remiss of me, but I almost never look them up. I almost never Google to see who they are or what they’re doing. I just kind of want to show up fresh. And so I’d worked with you several times. Yes. A little too many times before I finally looked you up. Yeah. To my sugar. Three times because   02:52we moved more than I wanted to, but it was still a pleasure to work with you each time. Well, I love it. But finally, I was like, I’m going to look her up. I’m gonna see what she’s all about because she’s so dynamic. She’s so interesting. I love working with her. And you are not   03:07bragging enough. You’re like world champion several times over in kettle bells. Yeah, I do kettle bell sport, which is a which is a a high endurance weightlifting sport. So, it’s not like Olympic lifting or powerlifting where   03:20you put on tons of muscle. It’s actually um 10 minutes of lifting a weight. Swing. I do swing snatch. So, it’s 10 minutes changing hands on one one time. And I am the best in the world in the over 50 category. I just turned 60 and I’m still competing against the younger   03:37the younger women who are like up to 30 years my junior. And I’ve been in the sport for about 18 years. No injuries. My hip replacements were due to osteoarthritis which I would have had to have had   03:50addressed in any case whether I was you know lifting weights or not. So it’s an endurance sport. It’s very unique. It came from Russia about 30 years, 40 years ago and it’s still kind of underground like CrossFit used to be,   04:04but then CrossFit got exploded with all this big sponsorships and I hope at some point my sport will too. So I travel internationally and compete and and I train in my basement and where I have a whole bunch of other tools for lifting   04:18also. But you can see I have two Instagram pages which we can talk about later. One is dedicated to fitness for women in midlife and the other one is dedicated to my um accomplishments and training in kettlebell sport because I don’t necessarily train. Most of the people I train are not in the sport.   04:36That’s like my thing. Well, and it’s so funny. I’m doing the math right now. Can you see the the wheels turning? I’m doing the math. You must have started this in your 40s. 42 I started. And now you’re like a world champion.   04:48Yeah. Eight times over. Yeah. I started really late. Really late. I was just introduced to the sport. I was a gym class junkie. Literally two classes a day, seven days a week. All through my 30s, I was in the gym two hours a day   05:02every single day. I was just addicted. Was it kettle bells? Is that what you were doing? It wasn’t kettle bells then. It was it was it was step classes, aerobics classes, boxing classes, and then somebody a trainer said to me, “What the   05:14hell are you doing? Why are you wasting so much time on cardio? Why don’t you lift some weights?” And I was like, “Okay, show me.” And then he’s the one who so I learned to lift weights. I got better results without having to do so much cardio. And   05:27then he’s the one who introduced me to the sport because at that point back in like 2005 or six, kettle bell sport had just come to the United States with a couple of Russian coaches and he heard about the sport. and he said, “Maybe   05:40you’d be good at this because you know, you’re dedicated. You like the cardio aspect, you like the So, I looked into it and that’s how I got on the road to this sport 18 years ago.” And I started at 42. And I got to tell you, for women,   05:54that’s a really peak age, like late 30s, all through your 40s. And the sport I do is really great because unlike running or tennis, you’re not you’re not running around. you’re standing in one place and using your legs and hips to move and follow the weight. So, it it’s not as   06:13aggressive on the joints as many other sports. So, it’s it’s a really good sport for longevity. Yeah, that is so interesting. But I just think it’s so inspiring. You know, a lot of people that listen want to be designers and are in their second careers or Yeah. are intrigued by design or or   06:30whatever. And so it’s so inspiring when somebody kind of turns the corner and not only starts something new in their 40s, but then masters it on a world level. Yeah. It’s very sat. It’s it’s very   06:41satisfying. Personally, it’s very personally satisfying. Yeah. Well, I hope you went back to that guy at the gym who told you to get into kettle bells and he’s been my mentor for years. Oh, yeah. Watch the progression. Yeah.   06:52Awesome. Well, now tell us how did you hear about our design firm? How did you hear? In 2020, my husband and I wanted to move out of the city because we had a nice one-bedroom apartment in Midtown, but   07:05because of the pandemic, we were both working from home. So, I transitioned to seeing my clients online, and he’s an attorney, and he started working from home as well. And we had no space. So, we said, “All right, if we’re ever going to leave the city, now is the time.” So,   07:18we went to Stamford, and we we started renting a beautiful apartment in Stamford. And I knew I wanted design help um because I I like things a certain way, but I I need input and I didn’t want to spend $30,000 for a living room and then another how much   07:35money for each room. It I needed it to be affordable. So, guess what I found online? Affordable interior design. Love it. Love it. Betsy helmet. So, I’m like, “This is the person I’m going to call.” And I did. And you came. And I remember so you came   07:52to our our apartment and you helped us make make it beautiful. And the first thing you said in the living room was well there’s a lot going on here and there was there were there were a lot of different themes and colors and this and   08:05that and you helped us scale it down and make it make it you helped us with the paint colors throughout the apartment, the the furniture, the placement of the accessory. It just really perfect. Another thing we had in the apartment   08:18were these vents along the wall, these air vents. And I was like, “Well, what can we do about that? Should we put a plant in front of it?” And you said, “Well, it’s like ears. Some people have   08:29ears that are larger than others, and you know, just trying to h cover it up is going to make it more obvious.” And you made me laugh. So, it was, you know, you made me you made us laugh. You   08:40helped us tremendously. I mean, I love the colors you chose throughout the apartment. And then when the more when the interest rates for housing went down, we were like, let’s let’s buy. So, we bought a house in Fairfield. Called  

 

8:53

Transforming Spaces: The Design Process

 

08:54you again. Big project. You helped us with that. Tremendous. And then last year, we we downsized actually because we have more family here in the Hudson Valley where we are now. This is hopefully our last move for a very, very long time. I’m fine if I pass away in   09:13this house. And so once again, Betsy, help me repurpose everything into this new, smaller house. And you did. And it’s been just amazing. I I think the world of you. Well, it’s amazing how many of those pieces that we selected for a house that was, I don’t know, three times the size.   09:30Yeah. Fit into your new space and worked beautifully. I was just kind of shocked at how much could translate. Yeah. And I didn’t I didn’t There were so many pieces that meant a lot to me that I didn’t want to get rid of or have to forfeit. And we didn’t have to, which is wonderful.   09:47Well, and the typical designer makes money the more you spend. So, they’re not really trying to get you to reuse things. They’re not encouraging you to make something work or think outside the box because that’s a huge   09:60cut to their income. Great point. That’s right. And I just think that not only does that not fit a lot of people’s lifestyles, like who has the finances or even the desire to completely start over, but also there’s pieces you’ve grown attached to, pieces   10:12you selected because you loved them. Totally. Recent recently they’re brand new. And yeah, that’s such a good point. And and 

 

10:14

The Importance of Reusing Furnishings

 

10:19I and I also appreciate the fact that you helped me make decisions right away. Like if I or my husband said, “Well, what about this idea?” You’re like, “No, it doesn’t suit doesn’t suit the space.” And it’s just like, “Okay, you know,   10:30there’s no heming and hoing. There’s no back and forth. It’s like that’s the way I I like to do. It’s like just help me make a decision. Well, and going back to that and even what you said earlier about me being a little funny and kind of pointing things out, my personality is not for every   10:43client because I’m in this business too long and I’m going to tell it like it is and I’m not going to dance around. But I literally had a client last week in um upstate New York. my my personality was not really well I mean I adapt I adapt so I could tell he wasn’t picking up what I was   11:05putting down so I had to smit it in a different way um and that’s a big part of the I don’t know if you feel this with your clients but that’s a big part of my job is reading the room totally the psychology client because why are people calling me what are they struggling with nobody’s   11:24calling me because they’re having a good day right they’re calling me because they’re facing challenges. They don’t know how to do this. They’re feeling insecure. They’re feeling ashamed of their space or just like overwhelmed. And so I have to meet them where they   11:38are. But also, I work with you for such a short time. Like, you know, it’s just hours at a time to transform the whole space. So, I can’t be too wishy-washy, right? I have to give you my real feelings. Um,   11:51I’ll give you some explanations as to why I feel that way, but then we have to keep it moving. I I and I love that approach. That works for me. And it’s also touching on the psychological factors of a client. You must also come   12:04across a lot of couples who may have differing visions. Um I mean, even Carl and I had some differing opinions, but for the most part, we’re on the same page, but that’s got to be a big um a big challenge to manage the expectations or the desires of both people. What I find is   12:23with a couple typically, not always, but I tend to be more in alignment with one of them. Like it’s never going to be 50/50, right? One of them I kind of agree with a little bit more than the other one. When they assert opinions or ideas, I kind of   12:39think one person’s ideas might work a little better, just a little bit more. Typically, it’s like 6040. Sometimes it’s 9010. So, I have to find a way to connect with that partner who I’m not as in alignment with, who I’m kind of saying quote unquote no to more. I have   12:57to find a way to give them some pretty big wins, right? So, that everybody’s bought in, right? because it is complicated and one person may be more invested in the design. One person may kind of have to deal more with the design in terms of the person who tidies up needs the   13:15entryway to be just so and the other person you know so it is a delicate dance getting both people to know like and trust you in a matter of hours. Yes. Because I’m there for literally one to two hours and they both have to like me   13:29in order to make the changes I recommend. Yes. Yep. Or they both don’t have to like me, but they have to trust me and my expertise. Yeah. And and give in to or at least, you know, give some leeway to the person   13:41whose ideas are the, you know, but and I want them to feel like I’m on their side and I’ve heard them, right? And by this time, yeah, in 20 years, I’ve heard it all. So, I can just be   13:53like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it.” the minute you open your mouth, I kind of know where you’re going with this comment, but I really need to listen and I really need to hear if there’s like a color I haven’t heard before or a way I can validate   14:05that makes them both feel like they won. So, I really spend that first session listening and seeing where I can push. And you know what was really impressive to me when we came to this third house, our final house, is that there were spaces   14:24that needed a piece of art or or a little table or a side table and you would say, “Where is that mirror? Where is that glass table that was in the blah   14:36blah blah?” And I wouldn’t even it was downstairs in our storage room and I wouldn’t even remember that we had it, but you remembered and that was really you did that numerous times and that was really impressive. Well, I definitely do not have an amazing memory at home.   14:49Like, I forget, you know, is tonight band night or is it tomorrow, right? What’s my child’s middle name? I don’t know. Don’t even ask me birth dates. But I have a visual memory. So, I remember what I’ve seen. And even   15:02if I have to remember a client, like I hadn’t worked with this client that I worked with a couple weeks ago in years, I think 2015. And um I didn’t know who she was. I could not recall. It’s literally been   15:13thousands of clients later. But the minute I looked at her mood boards, I knew exactly who it was. I remember her face. I remembered her apartment. So, it’s funny like that. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like I guess it’s like   15:24when I train clients, like I know, you know, I know what their capability is after a while and if if I come back to them later if they’ve been away or if they’ve been ill or what have you and I remember their cap their capacity, what   15:36the weights that they lift and and even though I have it all written down, but I remember um you know, the personality, the mentality, the approach. So yeah, it’s it’s a very personalized service for for both of us. Yeah. Yeah. And that really goes a long way. That builds that trust, right? And that   15:53sort of expertise that they’re willing to invest in you some more because you’ve really invested in getting to know them. Totally. Yeah. And so, you know, now that you’re in your new space in the Hudson Valley, how did working with us transform your space? What was it before? What did it   16:11become? So with this, you want me to show you this room? Yeah. So this room was originally  

 

16:11

Lorna’s New Office Space Transformation

 

 

16:18I’ll show you from So this is the office space. This was originally two rooms. So you walk in and this was originally there was a wall straight in front of you and it divided into two separate bedrooms. And so when we before we moved in, we took down the   16:39wall and made it one room. And the furniture in here is everything that was in the library room in the house. So that the artwork I love this artwork that you helped us choose. Yeah. So nice. The sofa bed, the purple rug, swivel chairs.   16:58Yep. Then I love this piece that was in the bathroom in the in the previous house and put it here. Yep. And then the shelves, the desk, and then I love what you’ve been so also so great at is helping us to   17:16figure out the carpets. The carpet um you know which carpets go where. So, we’ve got two carpets here, the long purple one and then this one here. And we’ve been able to utilize both carpets in all three locations. So, for example, this carpet that’s underneath the desk   17:36was originally in the dining room in the Stamford apartment. Right. Right. And this is you helped us choose. This is Sephava. And that’s like two places ago, you know. But if the stuff is not worn out   17:49and you guys keep your stuff in such pristine condition, if the stuff is not worn out, if you still like it, we need to reuse it. Or that’s I totally agree. you know the desire even if you have the funds to buy again the question is do you want to and should you right and so what I loved about   18:10and still love like I have a client next week in Long Island and this is the fourth time I’m working with her from the city to several moves from the suburbs to like empty nesting and all these things and I remember the art I   18:22remember the pieces and I’m so excited to maybe use them in a different way like you know with some of those rugs we had to change them from being horizontal al to vertical. You have to think outside the box, but   18:34it’s so worth it because I think one other thing about furnishings is by reusing them, you’re not just saving the environment, saving money, you’re also bringing something that feels like home to a space that maybe doesn’t feel like home yet. Correct. So, you have those feelings, those kind   18:53of memories with the items that you picked because you love them. Exactly. And I didn’t want to get rid of or change anything. I wanted to bring everything over as much as as possible   19:05because I get attached to the to these items and they’re they’re brand new. They’re like three years old, some of them two years old. I don’t want to start over. And then the decision making, the executive function, just all these decisions I I’ve had it. I don’t   19:18want to I don’t want to do it again. You know, I’ve done it with the apartment, then more decisions with the house, and this time it was like, nope, just let’s let’s reconfigure what I have because it’s plenty of stuff, and I don’t want   19:30to have to make any more decisions. Yeah, it’s a lot of decision, you know, from bath mats to what kind of spatula you’re going to get, you know, it’s just these micro decisions can be so fatiguing. I agree. I And I Yeah, I’ve gone through   19:45that. And then this is a sofa bed behind me. So that’s this is a guest another guest room. We have other bedrooms, but this is a guest room in case we need it. And it’s a really pretty room.   19:57Well, what you know, had you ever worked with a designer before you worked with me? I don’t know this. Yeah, I I hired somebody and then it didn’t work out and that was not a good experience. But I’ve heard of other um my clients and friends   20:12have worked with designers and the price tag is just I knew it would be I would not be able to do it or want to do it right. Um so when I found you and your process, I was like, “Oh my goodness, this is   20:25this is just perfect.” Yeah, you can really tailor it to what you need. Again, we’re not trying to get people to upcharge. We’re extending our discounts which makes it even more reasonable. So, there’s lots of pros.   20:36Now, what was your favorite part of working with a designer? Working with you, my favorite part is just my favorite part is that I trust that I’m going to be able to utilize all my stuff. I’m gonna be able to keep all my stuff and and just the the speed with   20:53which you help me to make decisions, you know, that that’s my favorite part is that I know this is going to get done and Betsy is going to help me do it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and and you cut through all   21:05that decision fatigue. It’s not like you’re giving me 10 options and then we’re sitting with all of these color swatches and well, I think this and well, I think that and you know, you make it simple. simple because I know what I like once I see it, but I need I need just just a couple ideas, two or   21:22three, not like a dozen. That’s right. It’s too much for me. And you’ll know if you don’t like it, right? You have that sensibility or that gut that’s like, “Nope, this is not for me.” And then I can learn a little bit more about you and our ta my taste. Right. Yes. Exactly. Now, what was your least   21:40

Favorite Aspects of Working with a Designer

 

 

21:41favorite part of working with a designer? I will not be offended. Tell me the least favorite part. I I don’t Or the most challenging part. How about that? Challenging. Let me see. I I really don’t I really can’t think of anything offhand. Um I’ll say that maybe   22:08I don’t I don’t know. Betsy, now I don’t pull any punches with you, Lorna. You can tell me. I know. I’ve never asked you. I didn’t I didn’t It just was a question that popped into my mind. I’m so um so thoroughly I think artwork   22:20Yeah. I think artwork is the toughest because I don’t have the patience to sit online and scroll or go to art galleries. I don’t want to spend a lot of money on art, like $10,000, but I don’t want to sit online either for hours and try to find something. Yeah. So, I think art is probably the hardest   22:37thing to have somebody choose for you. That may be So the things that you have chosen I I love but I think that might be the most challenging part for for you and for me and that’s for I think anybody I actually think in terms of what’s most challenging for me to source   22:57it’s usually believe it or not light fixtures really. Yeah. But right after light fixtures is art because some people want it personal. Some people, you know, want to feel like the earth moves when they see it. Yeah. And sometimes that’s something that   23:16you’ve got to really search for. Sometimes I recommend getting a stop gap, getting something that’s good enough that you like enough while you search, while you go to, you know, studios or keep your eye open. And some people like to have a little something that they’re searching for, right? So   23:35that it gives them an excuse to go shopping and see what’s new. I myself have a living room with a lot of walls and I wanted I needed need um to have a painting on this one wall, but   23:48I wanted something special to me, right? I wanted something that resonated but went with the colors. It’s going to be a hunt. In the meanwhile, I bought something for $300 on Grandon Road and now I’m in love with it. Three years.   24:02Well, that’s a good It was a stop gap for me. It was just something I was going to place there while I search and I really love the painting now, right? And to find the perfect when you   24:13find it, you’ll know, but it’s it’s doesn’t have, you know, the wall doesn’t have to stay empty. I think that’s a really good point and that’s what I might do also is that the stop gap for a couple spots and just put something up and then keep looking. um because it’s a   24:27big commitment not financially but just a commitment of having something in that space that you’re going to see multiple times a day and um yeah that’s that’s important. So right now I’m dealing with   24:38grows on you. I will say yes and I just recommended some artwork for Lorna, full disclosure, I literally sent it to her maybe 48 hours ago. And one thing we’ll get over Yeah. But the other thing about artwork   24:49too and when I was sourcing your artwork, it was surprising me sometimes the artwork is about visual weight. So your walls are very vated in this room. Like I don’t know maybe are they 20 foot ceilings? 22. Yes. Yeah. And there’s lots of gorgeous   25:09windows that overlook like the rolling hills of the Hudson Valley and it’s just so stunning. But it’s a lot of cream and a lot of white and a lot of windows. And I was like, we need something to kind of ground this space to kind of add some visual weight, which darker   25:28colors or some black or something can do to kind of make the walls almost feel a little grounded. And so then when I was doing that on either side of the slider, as I was thinking about the art above the Eden kitchen table, I was like, that needs to be darker, too, because   25:48you can’t have these two dark pieces on one side and then go for a lighter color on the other side. So I really belabored it. But sometimes art is not about the subject matter. It’s not about introducing a color palette. It’s about bringing something to the walls because   26:06they need something just like the space needs something floor planwise. Yeah. So, that’s kind of what I was thinking, but we can talk more about it. It is tricky or it’s just I picked out initially my first round with your artwork, I picked out totally different   26:22pieces above the dining table and then it wasn’t balancing the weight of the rest of the room. And that’s a really big wall. Yeah. So, these are all things that kind of go into it. And at a certain point,   26:34you also like get this gut feeling like why isn’t it working? Because I was going to send it to you with these other dining pieces I’d selected. But they weren’t they didn’t feeling 100% on it. Well, no, there was too much white and the walls are white. The   26:51um or the creamy they’re actually kind of off white. Yeah. And then the trim is white. And I was like, it’s not bringing the visual weight that we need to balance. Well, that’s where your talents come in.   27:03

Final Thoughts on the Design Process

 

 

27:03But anyway, I could I could in terms of like light fixtures, I could I could choose three or four and be okay with any of them. But with with me, the art is a little bit more. But I like what you said about just put a place   27:15placeholder there for a while and then see what you see because Yeah. And I think that’s well I have to look through the the art that you chose again and just you know really imagine it and then make a decision. But   27:26well also write me back if you don’t like it. This can be a dialogue that we can talk about. But yes, I highly recommend. For instance, I’m working with the CEO. I was just at his office space yesterday and I recommended a huge   27:38piece of art for behind him. He’s on Zoom. You know, we need something. You can’t just have a big blank wall. Um, and so I recommended a really large piece of art months ago. He didn’t feel   27:50strongly that it connected with him. Totally fine, but it also was not that expensive, right? So I go back to his office. It’s still a blank wall. And I’m like, Kevin, we need to address the situation by the stop gap just by because if anything, it’ll like prompt you if you don’t   28:08really feel it connects with you 100% to keep looking. But in the meanwhile, you’re going to look you’re going to look more professional on Zoom or in your life. Things will feel more balanced. The room will look more finished, which gives you a little perspective on what to look for,   28:26right? Good point. Really good point. But also, you might fall in love with a stop gap as I have. And now I’m in love with a piece from Grandon Road. There you go. You never know. It’s always great. Yeah, it’s been a really fun process. I It’s been really fun. Even of moving, it’s been it’s been been   28:44fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think it helps alleviate the stress of moving to know how many pieces you can reuse. To know that those pieces weren’t so tailored to that space that they can be flexible, to know   28:57that that wasn’t a sunk investment. Do you know? Exactly. Yes. Yes. Well, it has been so delightful talking to you as always. Me, too. Thank you for the opportunity. This has been great. Now, I want people to know where they can reach you because   29:09as soon as I looked Lauren up, then I joined all the things, the Instagram, the Facebook. If I ever have hip issues, I’m calling Lauren. I’m sure I will cuz I’m not flexible at all. Um, and Pilates is tough for me. It’s so tough for me. So, I want to hear more about where people can find out about   29:27you, where they can reach you. Your videos are so inspiring. Thank you. I love Um, so it’s my website is laurafit.com and then on Instagram where I’m most active, it’s lauraclyman and kle ei d m. Laura Clydeman is for my ladies 45 to 60 general fitness and lots   29:47of tips on nutrition, mindset, lots of stuff. And then if you want to follow my uh achievements in kettle bell sport, it’s kettle bells with Laura. Um, and then all of my links are on my my website as well, laurenafit.com. And well, you are such an inspiring person. I love it.  

 

30:01

Where to Find Lorna Kleidman

 

 

30:04Thank you. You, too, Betsy. I really am. I’m I’m really such a big fan. You know that, but I’m not just saying it because I mean, I’ve worked with you three times. You’ve done a magnificent job each time and you continue to and you’re you’re just um you’re really spectacular   30:17what you do. And I’m so glad that I found you and that your name is Affordable Interior Design because that’s exactly what I put into the search and voila. It’s amazing. Yes. Well, and one other   30:29quick anecdote about working with Laura. So, typically I go to people’s houses and I tell them, you know, what to do, what to buy, and if they have things,   30:35I’m telling them, you should put that over there, you should put this over here. And they’ll do it later, right? They’ll hire the handyman or they’ll work with a friend to move it. She of course because she has so much strength literally just picks up the armchair,   30:49moves it across the room, rolls up the rug. I mean, it’s like watching her in action at one of her athletic events. I was You know why part of why what I did that is because well, I I wanted to do it   31:01while you were there to make sure everything was spaced properly after I moved it, but I also didn’t want my husband coming home and saying, “Well, I don’t like that thing. I don’t think we should do that. I want to just get it done. Get it positioned and like that’s   31:13it. So, I was so motivated. I was like, I’m gonna do it and it’s gonna stay put. We’re gonna do it right now, Betsy. Picks it up, moves it. I’m like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. A little more to   31:24the left. A little more to the right. And it was just a dream come true. It worked out so perfectly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. Yes. And look at your art. Let me know what you think. Options abound. But um but yeah, there you go. All right, have   31:40a great weekend. You too. Bye, Laura. Bye. A big thanks to our producer Jeremy Young and to Eton and the Embassy for our theme music. And shout out to our parent company, Uploft Interior Design, your trusted source for expert interior design. Visit uploft.com to explore our   31:59services and book a consultation with one of our talented designers. If you’re enjoying the Uplift and Tear Design podcast, please support us by sharing the show with friends and leaving a five-star review on Apple Podcasts or   32:12wherever you listen. It’s the best way to help new listeners find us. Thanks for tuning in and we’ll see you next week with more pro tips and pop culture dish. Links:

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